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1. The politics within the respective medical systems (internal aspects) and between multiple medical systems; all located in and shaped by their social contexts - local and global.
Not entirely the case that "western/scientific/modern" has suppressed practices only in their respective colonies. In the process of the rise and hegemony of "w/s/m" medicine in the western world (particularly USA) the traditional healing practices in these countries too have been trampled upon. In the process of reform of what we now know as modern medicine, the growth of a certain kind of "scientific medicine" in late 19th-early 20th century along with professionalization of doctors in the USA, there developed what White calls a 'schism' between public health and medicine. (See White, K.L. 1991, Healing the Schism - Epidemiology, Medicine, and the Public’s Health, and Brown, E.R. 1979 Rockefeller Medicine Men - Medicine and Capitalism in America; for a rich, detailed history). In this process, not only were the poorer classes excluded from entering the medical profession, they also lost the medical care that was indigenous to their communities and was available to them – such as those of midwives and other healers. In addition, Public Health became simply application of this 'scientific medicine'. It is this kind of medicine that got adopted in India too also through activities of Rockefeller Fdn in the early 20th century - its International Health Commission, sending "modern" medical practitioners from India to US for advanced medical training and research; the establishment of AIIHPH, etc.
The other point is - there has been questioning of this "w/s/m" medicine from within medicine, since its rise and subsequently its reliance on technology. One among the numerous works is that of Reiser (Reiser S.J. 1978: Medicine and the Reign of Technology). Reiser describes at length how two movements developed within the medical profession in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, by which time technologies like the x-ray and the clinical laboratory had started becoming widespread. These raised important questions about the uncritical reliance of medicine on technologically generated facts, and concerns over the growing neglect of the patients’ views, history and description of symptoms, and gave rise to calls for 'technologic restraint'. It is not possible to go into the details here - for my PhD dissertation on medical technology, I came across and largely used studies and critical perspectives from within the medical profession and medical discourse; social scientists were/are not the only ones critical of medical technology.
We subsequently have Cochrane reviews, movements for EBM, rural surgeons' associations in not only India but in many other countries - including the western countries - USA, Australia; practitioners of the community health paradigm; all of these in my view, constitute internal critiques of "w/s/m medicine".
Furthermore, it is not simply certain clinical procedures, treatments, vaccines and pharma etc., that are so assessed/evaluated, the very paradigm of this kind of "w/s/m medicine" too has been questioned from within.
Does not the contemporary Social Medicine stream (with its origins in work of Virchow and many other constitutional medicine practitioners like him in England and rest of Europe), which tends towards an eco-bio-social theoretical explanation for health and disease - (prevalent far more in Latin American discourse) carry in it the essence of holistic medicine? Would we not consider the modern/scientific medicine, which we so love to hate, as also having the potential for holistic medicine? Is it only "traditional medicine" that is holistic?
Available research shows how this stream of Social Medicine has also been marginalized - and it is only the reductionist, bio-medical stream of modern medicine that has been promoted since the 19th century even in the "West", as also in the colonies, and subsequently by our own social and political power elites.
Can we possibly discuss politics of knowledge without simultaneously keeping in sight the sources of the hegemony and dominance of particular knowledges - of the local and global social forces, and how they propagate-advocate-negotiate-cooperate to support or suppress knowledge - namely the external forces; and the co-operation of certain streams of a knowledge system with these forces?
A question that arises as a corollary is - do we know of the internal workings of the numerous TM practices, formal and folk. Say at least Ayurveda - of the internal conflicts and debates within Ayurveda; what is the discourse within that system? Are there voices of discontent and dissent within these systems? What are they about?
2. For instance: Just as there is discussion and debate and conflict within "w/s/m" medicine over effective, safe, ethical, clinical care (rational care), and regarding its explanatory framework-goals-philosophy, is there such a discourse and debate within the various TMs?
Going further: in every healing / medical practice, how do we sift the rational from the ineffective, unsafe, unethical practices? What would be the benchmark/criteria/reference point by which such multiple healing/medical practices are to be assessed/compared? How to arrive at such benchmarks?
3. Talking of personal practices - I am sharing paper from IJME by Vijay Gopichandran - on what choice means from laypeople's experience, for those who are not trained medical practitioners themselves and so their experiences would be different. How do those of us who are not doctors in any system arrive at any useful decisions, in this messy situation? It's a case often of "scarcity amidst plenty".
Mainstreaming AYUSH: an ethical analysis, in Indian Journal of Medical Ethics Vol 9 No 4 October-December 2012.
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Dear all,
I have been reading this interesting thread quite engrossed.
Frankly, sometimes I feel that I am reading something in Greek because
of my deficiency of understanding in the discourse setting and the
concepts like the political economical and historical anchoring. So
forgive me if I am naive.
I practiced in tribal and rural India for more than twenty years as a private practitioner, as a gynecologist.
My opinions and views, are hence anecdotal. Amita has given some ground reality.
When I built my hospital in 1990, being only specialist in sixty km my
first referring persons were - Local Daies, midwives. They personally
accompany their patients with obstructed labor for my intervention. I
was always stunned by their expertise. They were all illiterate. I am a
Marathi novelist as well and speaking with them I realised how Marathi
language missed beauty of technical terms used by these females for
various key processes in labor.
These practitioners were kept out of fence by rigid Brahminical
knowledge forts. We as a society lost treasures even in language.
I have interacted with midwives at Jamkhed at Dr Rajanikanth Arole project. It too was inspiring.
That was till 1992 - 94.
Unchecked commercialization devastated these midwives. The homeopath
doctors poured in the market and started going to villages and giving -
oxtitocin injections IM yes, IM. In contrast Midwives assisted nature.
The customers of midwives swiftly got swayed to these doctors giving
injection for increasing labor pains. An upwardly mobile trend. Doctor
replacing illiterate midwives.
Patients suffered. These homeopath were not allowed to use modern
medicines but ninety nine percent they used modern medicine rampantly.
Homeopath colleges were politicians' gold mine. They were lateral entry
in medicine at cheap cost. The market was and is ruled by modern
medicine. I had to recieve complications made by these quacks. One was
rupture uterus in second trimester. One such doctor had given IM
oxtitocin for abortion. Patient died. Many labor ended at my doorstep
were stillbirths. One such homeopath quack came at 3 am at night with a
case of false labor pains where he has given cuts at four o clock and
eight o clock in cervix (exact location of uterine arteries) to dilate
the cervix. Yes these doctors displaced midwives.
In front of me, the knowledgeable system of illiterate midwives was
destroyed by market forces used by ignorent and arrogant homeopath
business persons. Midwives were deficient in asepsis. But still I would
have prefered midwives over these doctors.
BAMS doctors also joined the growing unregulated market. Yes, the modern
medicine practitioners too joined to use market to prosper, but never
ever I saw them giving oxytocin IM. yes they were busy in fast making
money by doing unindicated hysterectomies. I remember writing an article
in local newspaper - titled - epidemic of hysterectomy.
My point here is on ground I see no alternative pathy practiced as
taught. Doctors from all pathy practice modern medicine. I saw one
general practitioner homeopath adding steroid powder in cough syrup of a
child.
Some are sincere to know their drugs and stay within limits. Like Amita
has said, they are useful like Zola chhap when and where access to
modern medicine is scanty. But most go overboard.
You may wonder why i am taking discussion to unregulated
commercialization and marketisation of medicine when the discussion is
within parameters of well defined academic context.
I just want to point out that only few practitioners stick to their own speciality. That luxury is in cities.
Like Sanjay said, it was always a dilemaa when patients wanted my
certificate to Ayurved. And that Ayurved was not someone with serious
learning, but of Baba and Maharaj. All these so called spiritual Gurus
excel in Ayurved without degree and earn tons by sale of so called
Ayurvedic medicines.
Now i spread here my confusion regarding this subject.
we in modern medicine are anchored on evidence based practice. And gold standard is - randomised control trials.
I know many from Dr Sharadini Dahanukar who have insisted, ran trials
and proved efficiency of Ayurvedic medicine using randomised controlled
trials. There is increasing number of such devoted persons.
On this backdrop I wonder whether we concede to demand that such
evidence is not possible in homeopathy or Ayurved and it's up to person
to keep faith and take it anyway.
I am not sure that I am ready for it. However I fight against
commercialization of modern medicines, pharma companies twisting trials,
I can not deny the rationality of modern medicine and base of
randomised controlled trial.
Lastly will I take Ayurved or homeopathy myself? May take. When I run
out of my trics in modern medicine and still suffering i may hope and
try for some relief. I am mere mortal human afterall.
Now comes the last point. We forget often that medicine lingers on the
blurred line between life and death, and it does have an element of
mystery since beginning of ages. However we progress technologically
that sense of mystery and magic is never going to vanish.
Placebo is just one aspect of that spectrum. Unexpected miraculous healings always knock genuinely though rarely.
So if I feel helpless, well I may opt any rope coming in my
hands. But even if I get cured I still will be insisting for
evidence based modern medicine as the anchor for treating my patients
and for myself as a default.
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Hello friends,
Thank you very much for reading my article which Akshay shared and for engaging with it in so many productive ways. I would like to thank Akshay for starting this conversation and for nudging us all to think and articulate.
As Rakhal mentioned, the main issue in the article was the contemporary (past 4-6 yrs or so?) discourse regarding traditional medicine and Ayurveda, including the insincere appropriation of 'decolonial' discourse by Hindu and Brahmanical supremacist groups and influencers.
This dynamic email thread has taken a different but related path, and so I would just like to add to that. Picking up on what Sanjay, Amita, Indira and Arun said, I have some questions in mind, and if people have any thoughts and facts on that, it would be awesome to know more:
1. Do marginalized and underprivileged groups in India really always 'prefer' 'traditional medicine', however defined, over biomedical therapeutic options? Pluralism exists as we all agree, but anthropology and sociology studies show that biomedical therapeutic options are very commonly and voluntarily preferred by people in India from different backgrounds. Can we say that biomedicine has become fully absorbed and assimilated into the cultures and routines of the vast majority of people in India?
2. Maybe that is too general a question, but in the public discourse as well as much scholarship, one often gets the impression that 'people in non-Western regions feel alienated with biomedicine and prefer their own traditional medical methods'. But maybe we need to make a distinction here between biomedicine (as a set of ideas and approaches toward health and sickness) on the one hand, and biomedical practitioners and institutions on the other? What people feel alienated by is perhaps mostly the latter and not generally the former? That could also explain the overwhelming response received by biomedicine-based institutions and practitioners which are genuinely patient- and society-oriented?
3. One of the common objections raised to such a framing - that is, if one says that it is not biomedicine at 'fault' but the practitioners and institutions - is the assertion that actually biomedicine (and modern science) are INHERENTLY always going to be alienating and even violent. Do people here think that to be true? Is there even any way to gauge if some non-living, abstract, and tremendously complex and diverse entitity like modern science/medicine is 'inherently' irredeemable?
4. Finally, does the direction that mainstream Ayurveda has taken in the past 10 years, toward rampant commercialization, exploitation, biopolitical application, discriminatory belittling of marginalized and minority communities, etc, make us rethink some of the past critiques of biomedicine? Do these recent developments show that such type of consequences are less about any inherent attribute of modern science/medicine per se, and perhaps more about just who is in power and how they are appropriating different entities?
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Dear all,
This has been quite an interesting, insightful debate. I did not want to engage with any of the specific points and arguments that were made. However I feel that keeping this discussion in mind, it may not be inappropriate now to make some general points about health, healthcare and health science from a public health perspective.
I think all these three categories need to be understood as concrete historical entities with their internal contradictions. There is no health, healthcare, health science as such, as abstract entities but all these three have existed in specific historical form, in all the stages of development of human society - hunting, gathering society, in predominantly agricultural feudal society and in modern, capitalist society. Let me elaborate a little bit the first point about historical nature of these three entities and then about the point about contradictions -
1) Firstly, the historically concrete forms of these categories. The social determinants of health and consequently health status have been different in these three types of societies. Physical and social milieu in pre modern tribal or feudal societies and modern capitalist society has been quite different. Hence the epidemiological picture of a society of hunters and gatherers and of feudal primarily agriculturalist was vastly different from that of the current industrial, capitalist societies.
Remedies invented in these societies are bound to be quite different. Remedies by pre-modern therapies cannot be expected to address the current, predominantly new health problems. We cannot expect in folk medicine or Ayurvedic medicine for example, remedies for current occupational health problems or current lifestyle health problems of modern industrial capitalist society. Maybe some pre modern therapies of some kinds can be of some use in some of our temporary symptoms or some age-old problems like osteoarthritis, rheumatoid arthritis. (On a personal note, for the last more than 40 years, I have been using for myself and advising my friends and relatives, along with ORS, a home remedy for simple diarrhea for first 2-3 days–“methya” (fenugreek seeds) granules to be roasted and then powdered –a quarter teaspoon three times a day. Along with other measures, I have been advising “Adulsa” syrup to facilitate sputum liquefaction in a productive cough.) Yoga can be of some help in some of the modern health problems. Placebo effect and pre-placebo or 'Hawthorne Effect' (the feeling that one is being treated) are quite important even in the modern era as a contributory factor in the relief that patients get. But at the same time, as a matter of course, the basic causes like pollution, unhealthy job conditions, unhealthy life-styles including domestic violence, needs to be tackled simultaneously. Given the overall epidemiological picture in India, of rising epidemic of diabetes, hypertension, premature cardio-vascular problems, depression, stress-induced and pollution induced occupational health problems, premature malignancies, iatrogenic health problems etc etc there cannot a big role for pre-modern therapies in today’s world because they evolved to address by and large, very different sets and types of health challenges.
Modern health science consists of epidemiologically driven preventive, promotive, curative/ symptomatic measures both at individual and social level as well as rehabilitative measures. All these are based on modern biology, modern chemistry and other whole range of modern sciences and technologies based on these sciences. Hence modern health science is bound to be superior, more effective to deal with modern health problems of the current capitalist world system.
Pre-modern health care interventions like folk remedies, the systematic approach like the Ayurveda in feudal India (I do not know about Unani approach) and the approach of the modern “allopathic” system are vastly different. Yet, all of us modernists should be interested in explorations in pre-modern therapies (excluding those remedies based on superstitious beliefs) from a research perspective to find out which of these are effective and safe in today’s world. Secondly, even today, traditional ideas about health and disease very much influence a vast number of people and a study of these can tell us whether and how any of these can be harnessed in our approach to health problems in our society.
All of this has to be done certainly not with any arrogance or paternalistic attitude but with an approach of humble scientists knowing that our ancestors were as much intelligent, creative as the modern humans are, even though the means at their command were very limited. Secondly in pre-modern sciences belief in supernatural powers, god was intermixed with empirical hypothesis (for example, concept of “Tridosh” in Ayurveda) which was tested with empirical observations. Yet, folk medicines or Aurveda is largely based on a materialist approach and is not premised on existence of god/supernatural forces. There were proto-sciences and not be kept aside thinking them to be mere beliefs without any empirical, logical basis. We should try to find out what we can learn from these therapies even though they cannot be expected to play a large role in today’s world. At the same time, we cannot be oblivious of the fact that dominant casteist, brahmhinical patriarchal ideology in feudalism also affected these health care interventions.
2) Secondly we need to understand the internal contradictions of these entities and their dynamics – For example, we all know that medicines have desirable and undesirable effects and as is widely known, the balance between the two becomes unfavorable if these medicines are unnecessarily or excessively or wrongly used. The latter scenario is because of the money/profit orientation which predominates over rational use (driven by honesty and adherence to science of clinical medicine.) There is therefore no point in talking only about the science and technology of modern medicines as such without taking into consideration the dominant commercialization, corporatization of healthcare. Iatrogenic health damage by allopathic practitioners (including those who hold non-allopathic degrees but engage in unrestricted use of allopathic medicines) in India has been a great problem and needs a separate discussion. Modern medicine is also adversely affected by varying degrees, capitalist patriarchy. The unique feature of capitalist patriarchy is to use the woman's body as one more ground for unnecessary medication and surgery for commercial, profit-hungry entities.
Given the above situation the issue is not merely to assess modern medicine as such but to assess it in it’s concrete historical form in which it exists and to grasp its internal contradictions. Taking note of this contradiction, we need to look forward to and try to foster modern medicine stripped of its profit-hungryness unlike Evan Ilich, the author of Medical Nemesis or the anti-vaccine lobby which rejects vaccination.
Not only the practice of modern medicine but also the science of modern medicine is one the one hand promoted by the profit-hungry of corporations as they invest huge amounts for research and of course for production of medicines and their propagation. But on the contrary, the ill-effects of this profit-hungriness on the very development of beneficial, least harmful, cost-effective medical interventions is well known. The way forward is to understand this contradiction, its dynamics and put forth, work for measures to move ahead by transcending this contradiction.
Similar is the case with the contradictions in the socio-economic structure, which shape social determinants of health and ill-health. In capitalism the unprecedented development of social production has shaped social determinants of health and ill-health in a vastly different way. Thus in today’s advanced capitalism, (which dominates in India also) on the one hand, the potential for occupational injuries and other health-insults in all stages of production and consumption has increased vastly. At the same time, the technology to prevent these health-insults and to create healthy working conditions as well as the S&T for it, has also developed a great deal. Which of these two contradictory possibilities predominates depends upon the balance of power between the capitalists and the working class, the people. In this case also the way forward is to understand this contradiction, its dynamics and put forth, work for measures to move ahead by transcending this contradiction.
In a sense, there is nothing new in what I have said above. But I thought that it may be worthwhile to revisit it in the context of the interesting, insightful recent debate on the MFC e Forum.
Anant Phadke
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